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Losing my will to carry on...


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Losing my will to carry on...

Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:09 am » Post: #1 » Download Post

Well I've had a couple of short gentle rides after the rebuild and looks like there's already marks on the bottom cylinder piston.

She should be getting heaps of oil because when I take the pipes off they're quite wet with oil.

Pictures below - confirm it's the beginnings of a seizure and it's off to the marketplace with my sweet Vanessa.

I had an MC18 all through my Ls and Ps and it was my hero. Never had a problem. Getting Vanessa has been a nightmare. Sometimes I guess we should leave our heroes of the past in the past.



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Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:39 am » Post: #2 » Download Post

The 2nd one will never live up to what you cherished.

Get a replacement barrel, new piston and all should be fine. If you want to do it on the cheap, you'd have to check if you left any debris in the barrel, but definitely new piston. Cheer up though mate, you're almost there.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:53 am » Post: #3 » Download Post

That one was actually the good barrel. Plenty of nice hone marks.

I'm just not sure I can keep doing this. How do I even know a new barrel and piston will fix it?
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:45 am » Post: #4 » Download Post

I guess the answer is you don't. It's impossible to guarantee at any rate, but if you're certain everything else is perfect then I'd expect replacing those items to be the final pieces of the jigsaw.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:06 am » Post: #5 » Download Post

Can you see something I can't?

Presuming the clearance is around 0.04mm (you did measure it, didn't you?) I'd run that.

As stated on this forum about a million times the corrct piston to the barrel (i.e. a-b, b-no mark, c-d) is no guarantee of correct clearance.
This is the result of running an unmarked piston in a B barrel. That (unmarked in B) is correct but the B barrel has been plated, it's not stamped up, but it's the wrong height (replaters tend to remove some deck height) and quite clearly a bit tight.

It ran fine, didn't seize,the barrel is barely marked and both that barrel and piston will get used again, probably not togeather though.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:10 am » Post: #6 » Download Post

Isn't that mark in the bottom left corner a seizure just gearing up?

I'm not going to lie, I gapped the rings, but didn't think to check the piston at the time.

It is a D piston in a C barrel. Can I slide a feeler gauge up the exhaust port and check the gap now?
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:32 pm » Post: #7 » Download Post

Do you know that the barrel has never been plated?
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:43 pm » Post: #8 » Download Post

I am becoming increasingly aware that I know nothing.

History of the bike is sketchy to non existent.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:46 pm » Post: #9 » Download Post

Well, that's what you get for giving it a female name, I suppose...
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:52 pm » Post: #10 » Download Post

My Vanessa is a cruel mistress, but then, most women are.
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:58 am » Post: #11 » Download Post

I can see what looks like a bit of a nip up.

You'll not be able to measure the clearance properly without pulling it apart. What did you set your ring gap to?

The cylinder is very likely ok. If there's any evidence of a nip then it'll probably clean up with a bit of acid and a quick hone.

Fontyyy would use that piston again, and in dire circumstances it's probably ok.

Blimey, my old TZR125 didn't bed in properly with race pistons until at least one seizure and a rub down Smile
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:45 am » Post: #12 » Download Post

On that barrel, 0.40.

It's definitely rubbing in that corner. I was under the impression that any piston/barrel contact at all was bad.
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:06 am » Post: #13 » Download Post

For sure, if it's nipped I wouldn't use it in a racer.

My mate took a heap of used pistons and rings off me a while ago for his NSR. They were all toast as far as I was concerned, but he was happy to sand off the high spots and bung 'em in. When they got a tad too noisy (slap slap slap) he'd just bung another in.

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Don't worry mate, I'll save the next stash for you Wink
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:18 am » Post: #14 » Download Post

Fontyyy will take your used head gakets and circlips as well Matt.

And you think I'm joking! Shocked
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:23 pm » Post: #15 » Download Post

I'm no pro at re-using stuff, you guys haven't seen anything until you've seen what Dan can put togeather and take to 2nd place in F250.
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