pre 1993 60 bhp, after that 55, it was the law, same as 45 then 40 for the 250's.
In reality, most 400's make mid-high 50's std, low 60's with a tweak or two, 80+ if you throw big big money at them.
Real life performance they are ultimately faster than a similarly tuned 250, hence Honda gave up F3ing the NSR in favor of the RVF.
I've got both, HRC carded, Tyga piped NSR (around 61bhp) and an HRC CDi, JHA piped RVF (66bhp), performance wise the RVF will just check out, gone, see ya at the pub etc, especially on the road.
But on the track or for a summer blast the NSR is the tool of choice, it is a Samuri sword to the gattling gun of the diesels, wheather I'm faster or slower than anyone else is irrelevent, it's so much harder to get the best out of and a thousand times more rewarding for that exact reason. _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
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Maybe I should also point out if you've got the skills an NSR in the right hands (that'll be someone like Matt's hands then, not mine!) can give a grid full of big diesels a run;
Look at bike #25, then look at the rest, he came 3rd!
As far as I can see, you can nearly make an NSR into a GP bike, or you can nearly make a 400 into a half decent club racer _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
Bestow education upon me! So the RVF has a bit more power and makes a bit more power, more of the time (i'm guessing) than the 250, but it weighs SO much more - i don't get how it can be faster? On the brakes and cornering the NSR has it by the balls surely? The only thing that i could imagine letting the NSR down is bad gear selection so it drops out the power but anyone can choose gears well enough to keep it in the engine's best power all the time, whether it be on road or track. And in a straight line wouldn't the NSR leave the RVF aswell? Atleast up to top speed where the extra power would come in and aerodynamics would be more important and weight no longer an issue. Or does weight make less of a difference than i have been led to believe?
Its confusing because i've seen 400s icing 250s down the straights in club races with my own eyes so i know what **** sayin must be true but i don't get why?! consarnit _________________ After years of moaning about immigrants now i am one...
Having raced both, the 400 is so much easier to ride as the spread of power is greater. Chuck in the rejetting for a two stroke at each track, and the whole situation gets worse unless you're spot on each time.
The NC for instance, made good power from 8 to 15000 rpm. The NSR makes it from 8-12000. Unless you can be bothered changing individual gears for each track, there's always a corner where you're stuck between two, and that's where you loose time.
Don't get me wrong, the best boys on the TZ and RS tackle will wipe the floor with a 400, but it's not really a fair fight is it?
But as Fontyyy says, get it right on the 250 and it's awesome. Getting it right on a 400 just requires you to keep it on the tarmac. _________________ MC21SP Plaything
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Hey Fontyyy, thanks for the pic That was actually an F3 motor that I'd thrown together the weekend before the race and was hand carried down. The rest of the bike was a bit of a dog, but didn't go too bad. Definitely annoyed the other blokes, which was why we did it.
I've ridden/raced 250's and 400's of all specs. I still hold the 250cc SP lap records at both the main circuits in Thailand (because they don't run the class any more ), but I could only get within a second of my 250 time on an SP/F3 ZXR400SP. It was fast without a doubt (75hp on the brake), but you just couldn't throw it around like the NSR. One major difference is that a lot of people can ride a 400 fast, but a 250 ain't as easy. The 400 is more stable and you can sometimes get away with being a gear wrong in the turn, or a tooth out down the straight, both of which are unforgivable on a rip-snorting 250.
So if 400's are stock lets say 60hp and we are spliced,holes,jetted 60hp we have the weight advance of nearly 30kilos! I believe that with same drivers and same gearing the nsr will be on the front. i am talking always for a straight! we'll see....
Sometimes i dont understand a damn thing of what you say...
it may be because when we had english class i was sitting near the window
and was waiting NSR's to pass...who cares about listening?i only wanted to hear this honda pipe screaming...
ive had enough of this 400 4 stroke crap who cares if a 400 diesel has a bit more grunt than our (stock)nsr,s ive never riden a 4 stroke and hope never to waste my time doing so
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That was actually an F3 motor that I'd thrown together the weekend before the race and was hand carried down. The rest of the bike was a bit of a dog, but didn't go too bad. Definitely annoyed the other blokes, which was why we did it.
