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Is it true that Mc28 Magtek wheel have the life span


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Is it true that Mc28 Magtek wheel have the life span

Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:53 pm » Post: #1 » Download Post

A guy told me that the magtek wheel have the life span. Just posting this just to verify wether its true or not?
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:40 am » Post: #2 » Download Post

As far as I understand, If neglected, magnesium wheels will deteriorate as easy and quickly as steel.
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:09 am » Post: #3 » Download Post

Magnesium wheels suffer from embrittlement. Magnesium is very hygroscopic {edit see below} and suffers badly from oxidation. Which is why wheels aren't 100% magnesium. They are made of different amounts of magnesium and alloy. The more magnesium the lighter the wheel. If there is too much magnesium the wheels can even combust, proven on some early F1 cars. Most magnesium parts are surface treated, usually zinc dichromate solution which is what gives them a yellow colour. Similar to aircraft parts, however as chromium is dangerous, ala Erin Brokovich, not many places can do this treatment any more. If not correctly surface protected, white rust will create cracks in the mag wheels and they will most likely fail. This is a big problem for some campagnolo and early marvic mag wheels. I am not sure what percentage magnesium the magteks are.


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Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:53 am » Post: #4 » Download Post

that would explain why my pollished edge only lasts a few days !
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:24 pm » Post: #5 » Download Post

Definetely true, in fact most Magteks will have exceded their safe use life by now! Shocked

Because of the chromate surface finish disposal of these wheels is very tricky, I suggest everyone send their old Magteks to me and I will dispose of them in the correct manner Wink
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:32 pm » Post: #6 » Download Post

From what has been said on here in the past, apparently the magnesium content isn't that great in the NSR magtek wheels. They're certainly not that much lighter than standard R wheels.
I think if you are worried about the condition of magnesium wheels, get them checked by a specialist. They should be able to crack test, etc......
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Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:37 am » Post: #7 » Download Post

shmokica wrote:Magnesium is very hydroscopic


No it's not, magnesium is very Hygroscopic

Hydroscope = An optical device used for viewing objects far below the surface of water.

Hygroscopic = Readily absorbing moisture, as from the atmosphere.

Common mistake.
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Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:44 am » Post: #8 » Download Post

All these years and i never knew! Everyone I've ever heard talk about brake fluid having a finite lifespan have used the (apparently none-existent) word: 'hydroscopic' to help describe what it does when exposed to moisture. Even the spell checker on here tries to correct you by offering 'hygroscopic' as the top choice in its list of correct words you might have spelled wrong! Well, they do say you learn something new every day. Very Happy

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Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:02 pm » Post: #9 » Download Post

I can't imagine that Honda would allow wheels that require yearly checks and a limited life span to be used on a road bike. The Magtek wheels along with the dry clutch was only ever a marketing gimick on the part of Honda top sell more bikes...... and it worked. I have 3 SP's!!
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Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:06 pm » Post: #10 » Download Post

racer38 wrote: a marketing gimick on the part of Honda top sell more bikes...... and it worked. I have 3 SP's!!


In how many pieces Laughing
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Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:18 pm » Post: #11 » Download Post

^^^ But the wheels are still in one piece...
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Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:18 pm » Post: #12 » Download Post

racer38 wrote:I can't imagine that Honda would allow wheels that require yearly checks and a limited life span to be used on a road bike. The Magtek wheels along with the dry clutch was only ever a marketing gimick on the part of Honda top sell more bikes...... and it worked. I have 3 SP's!!

Tom, strip the paint of a magtek and leave it outside for a winter, throw a bit of salt on for good measure, then have a look at it. Ive had magnesium wheels erupt from the inside and end up all furry. Not a pretty sight.
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Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:23 pm » Post: #13 » Download Post

racer38 wrote:I can't imagine that Honda would allow wheels that require yearly checks and a limited life span to be used on a road bike. The Magtek wheels along with the dry clutch was only ever a marketing gimick on the part of Honda top sell more bikes...... and it worked. I have 3 SP's!!


I am inclined to agree, and the weight difference quote above probably adds credence to the fact that they are probably low magnesium content.

That said I have seen and read some stories about RC30 wheels. Was it Joey Dunlop that had a mag wheel failure?
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Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:54 am » Post: #14 » Download Post

I sent my Marchesini magnesium rims off to a specialist that deals with magnesium components in the aviation industry.

Well, as they commented, there isnt a hell of a lot of magnesium in them compared to 'true' magnesium aircraft rims. The cost of NDT, corrosion cleanup and paint prep was very little and well worth it.

The magnesium content in the Magteks is even lower than the Marchesinis - hence them being sold for use on a roadbike where it is unlikely that the owners will strip and NDT them every year as well as subject them to all sorts of road conditions.

Comments on them seem to vary from the ignorant 'they will be ok' to the paranoid 'send them to Marchesini for no one else on the planet can fathom what to do with them'. The aviation industry is very familiar with dealing with magnesium.

I think that it was Robert Dunlop that had a Marvic rim separate from the spokes of his RC30 while riding at the Isle of Man...
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Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:52 am » Post: #15 » Download Post

Yeah it was Robert on an RC45 - here's a vid that includes a slo-mo of the wheel collapsing before your very eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6T6dTIOZ2c
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