Does anybody know how much power a CBR250RR makes?

Were these bike normally sold in England.

I've been doing some research and it looks like Honda no longer makes good small displacement sport bikes in the 250/400 class. Not even for the Japanese market. Seems like the 250RR was made for the Australian market more than 10 years ago. Anybody know why?
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They are rated at 42hp. my local bike club has had a few dyno days and they all get between 37-40.

Honda imported them here between '92-'99 (I believe), as the learner rider laws make them about the sportiest mass import bike you can buy. The law in New South Wales is a learner bike must produce less than 150kw/tonne (NSRs, RGVs etc don't comply, 450cc motards do), whilst most other states the law is anything < 250cc.

There are a lot of them around, pretty much anyone in NSW who wants a sporty learner bike gets one. Also, a lot have been grey imported by dealers, especially since Honda stopped.

They are awesome bikes to ride, for both the road and the track. My brother and several other people i know have owned them, and they are very capable machinery. My brother can go under 2mins at eastern creek on his old, road going '89 model, my best on the NSR is 2:05! Another mate who owned one was 6'4, he rode it to phillip island and back for the supers race last year (1000km each way) and did not have a single problem.

I have borrowed a friends workshops loaner ex-race one, dyno'd at 48hp and handles like a dream. About the most fun i've ever had on 2 wheels (blasphemy i know!).

this should give you an indication how popular they are down here: ($2300 AUS = £1000)
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Thanks for the reply BJ. Those 250RRs are pretty expensive. I guess they hold their value because there are no other small displacement sport bikes being made today.
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Is there not some reason 4 stroke 250's are popular in Oz, some licence issue I thought??

The CBR250 was made to suit the old Jap licencing law that was the mother of all the 400cc sports bikes and the whole grey bike scene.

There were as far as I know three levels of licence;

1; 250cc, 45bhp licence (later dropped to 40bhp, hence the '28 and VJ23 make 40 horse)
2; 400cc, 60bhp licence (later dropped to 55bhp hence the RVF made 55 bhp)
3; unlimited cc licence that was damn hard to get.

CBR250's were never sold in England offically (neither were CBR400s or RVF400s) and there are very very very few here, the RVF and CBR400s are quite popular by comparision. I'd have guessed for every CBR250 here there's got to be 20 400's.

In the list of rare 4 stroke 250/400's there are also ZXR250's, ZZR250's, Hornet 250's, Ducati Monter 400's, Transalp 400's and a whole load of others all made for Japs who wanted big bikes but could neither fit them nor ride them.

I thought they were all discontinued by around 2000 when the Japs bought their licence regs in line with the rest of the universe.
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Ah, that would explain it. Is Austrailia the only place that has a progressive license now? I know I seen a 2007 CBR125 on one web site.
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We get those (CBR125's).

UK licence setup;

CBT, compulsory basic training best part of a morning sent riding round cones then a couple of hours on road instruction. Really it's for kids who have no road sense but everyone must do it

You can now ride a "bike" up to 125cc and 15bhp for two years on L plates, this market in the UK is massive, every other kid has a 125 scooter if he's 17 or a 50 if he's 16 (50cc and 3.5 bhp is the max if you're 16, it's called a moped still).

In this two year timeframe you have two real options

Direct access training and test on a bike over 45bhp, then ride anything (over 21's only)

Normal route traing and test on a 125, then ride a bike under 33bhp for 2 years, then ride anything, kits can be got to make just about anything 33bhp.

There's also an a2 licence and test which restricts you to a 125 for ever, why you would follow this I have no idea.

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in Canada for 2007 we have a cbr125 available too. It's price brand new is under $3500!
There are no progressive licensings as far as bike type goes. A 16 year old on his learner's permit can ride a liter bike with no legal problems. scary!

Isn't the weight on the cbr250rr notably higher than the nsr250? It would be interesting to see how the two bikes do side by side
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i did it with a friend about 3 weeks ago and the nsr250 (mc21) ate the cbr for breakfast

They're rubbish, I've ridden a Hornet 250, it reved past 18000 (not a typo, that's eighteen thousand revs) but wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding, a std '28 woud be quicker!

CBR250 claimed specs, dry weight 158, a good 30kg more than an NSR, I'll bet 90% of that is engine.

It's not going to weigh less, you can carry and NSR engine yourself easily, not so with a CBR250 or 400 engine and box.
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RIDE magazine in the UK did a group test with ZXR400/GSXR400/NSR250mc16 and a CBR250 about 5 years ago.
It finnished last because it needed revved into oblivian to go anywhere, red line is almost 20,000rpm I think. NSR was third (Boo) because a novice could go faster quicker on a 4T.
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Very interesting guys. What is a Hornet 250?
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i find it kinda funny people comparing them to 250 strokers and 400cc 4 strokes, of course they aren't going to be as quick. You don't see people comparing NSR's with 600RR's etc, because they're not comparible. however, there's nothing more fun at the track than going around the outside of an R1 or gixxer on a "crappy old learner bike", or tailing them up your favourite windy road. they are extraordinarily confidence insipiring in their handling and braking ability, yeah sure they aren't as powerful in a straight line but if thats you're measurement of a good bike you should be on a busa forum? I never noticed the difference in weight on the track, the CBR tips in nicely and holds its line really well, i was much more comfortable with the CBR than the NSR and i was doing the same lap times

Yeah they rev high, 18,000 red line is no exaggeration, but you can get anywhere and not even make 8k. Most people i know who have had them (and i've been good friends with at least 5 or 6 owners) have never had reliability problems with them despite several of them spending a fair bit of time at the track, and lots of time up closer to red line.

Personally, if i had to choose between a CBR and an NSR for the road, i'd take the CBR even though it would cost a bit more and isn't as powerful. I like to do long trips (1000km+ in a weekend isn't uncommon) and i commute 10km each way to work every day, there is no way i'd do either on my NSR. No need to worry about warming up times, highway crusing they eat up the miles and they have a lot more stable feel to them. I can't even take my NSR to the local mechanic cause he wont touch strokers, which i don't mind but is the kind of stigma they have here

Sorry, a bit long winded i know, but i just wanted to get my point across. they are fun, reliable and economical little bikes that i'd recommend to anyone in aus looking for a sporty learner bike. Only reason i didn't get one myself is because i'm a fan or the more relaxed style of naked bikes.

The only drawback is they have a speed limiter which retards the ignition once you reach 180km/h, but like the NSR this can be disabled

BTW a hornet 250 is basically a naked CBR, looks like the bigger 600/900 hornets
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Sorry for my ignorance, but we never got any Hornet in the US. I looked up the Hornet web site: Its not a bad looking bike.
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bj wrote:
i find it kinda funny people comparing them to 250 strokers and 400cc 4 strokes, of course they aren't going to be as quick. You don't see people comparing NSR's with 600RR's etc, because they're not comparible...

Just to be a pedantic, irritating sod, try telling that to StephenRC45's mate who rode the F3 back to back with his CBR600!

What you are saying is right though, for the most part. I'd never choose a CBR250 over an NSR250 for the simple reason the NSR makes more power, more torque, weighs less, and is ultimately more rideable, tractable, and quicker. I'd also never choose a CBR400 (or any other bore-stroke 400) over an NSR250 either though.

The CBR250 serves the purpose it was designed for... it looks like a baby Fireblade that the learners in Japan (and now other countries) could/can ride on a restricted licence.
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bj wrote:
i find it kinda funny people comparing them to 250 strokers and 400cc 4 strokes, of course they aren't going to be as quick. You don't see people comparing NSR's with 600RR's etc, because they're not comparible...

Just to be a pedantic, irritating sod, try telling that to StephenRC45's mate who rode the F3 back to back with his CBR600!

Poor old Al wont ever forget that.... he was stunned, shocked and horrified all at the same time.
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